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"E30Joe drives a Subaru" (325joe)
12/14/2014 at 23:13 • Filed to: None

I personally think it's pretty ridiculous, the author is implying that all RWD vehicles will break traction on drive pavement randomly at any speed regardless of how much power it has, pretty irritating if you ask me, my first car was an E30 and it was a great car to learn to drive in, very linear powerband, very predictable, and very easy to drive.

I think that it would be better to say that people who think they are Formula D drivers should not get a RWD vehicle as their first car.

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DISCUSSION (38)

XJDano > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/14/2014 at 23:16

I don't think 88 V6 third ever lost traction on dry pavement. I guess it was ok because it was my second car. (Didn't read linked article)

E30Joe drives a Subaru > XJDano
12/14/2014 at 23:17

Basically (long story short) the author says that the slightest tap of the throttle at any given speed = massive skids.

XJDano > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/14/2014 at 23:22

after reading it, I can't disagree with everything.

I do believe one should have a disposable car for Their first car. It may get wrecked, or break down. But strictly non-rwd is ridiculous.

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/14/2014 at 23:22

I just assume that no one at CarThrottle knows anything about cars. Probably not even how a throttle works. So I'd guess it's ridiculous from the start; by their logic, I'd have killed myself quite a while back.

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/14/2014 at 23:23

Car Throttle is an awful car website when it comes to journalism. It's all horse shit. Don't be an idiot and learn to properly drive. I'd say a RWD teaches you how to be a better driver. More careful, though it's unlikely that you have enough power to get into trouble without using the handbrake. My first car is my 71' 2k2. No nannies or really anything to save my ass, but still easy to operate and in terms of driving, very predictable and reliable. Just don't be stupid in the rain when on exit ramps.

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/14/2014 at 23:24

Every beginner driver thinks the RWD boogeyman is going to kill them. Its not that easy to break the rear on rwd car. The benefit of having a rwd car as a first is to know vehicle control and behavior. Also back in the day, fwd was scarce and rwd was the majority you had. Now people say rwd will wrap you around a tree with the slightest bit of rain.

E30Joe drives a Subaru > Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2
12/14/2014 at 23:25

My E30 required a lot of effort to even get close to breaking lose, based on that article I could have been in Formula D with it.

Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/14/2014 at 23:29

i drive a RWD biased 4x4 SUV, I think you have more fun in a RWD car (granted if i tried drifting, I would roll and kill myself, plus it has an extremely squishy suspension, so there is a ton of body roll, so I f I took a corner too fast I would roll as well). There's so much grip on the average paved road, that to even start trying drifting, you need a ton of power. think of it, when was the last time you saw a miata oversteer by accident on a paved road? gravel and dirt is quite a bit different. its quite a bit eaiser to get some oppositelock. but on a paved road, this is redonkulously stupid.

the only place I could see this being an issue is with a high-hp car where grip on roads could be an issue, and that is only with cars that can do a standing burnout.

E30Joe drives a Subaru > Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man
12/14/2014 at 23:31

My Forester oversteers more than my E30 ever did. Simply because it's got more power.

Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man > Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2
12/14/2014 at 23:31

even if your being an idiot, its still probably pretty hard to do something terribly stupid with RWD and not a ton of power.

Vicente Esteve > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/14/2014 at 23:33

I think car throttle is just a fun place to mess around. I wouldn't get serious advice there at all, but I do understand what they mean in the article.

In a RWD car there are more options for a teenager to hurt himself. That is why parents try to get them the least threatening vehicle to their safety.

Thing is though, when a teenager gets comfortable with something that will always save his/her ass a RWD car without nannies will be too much for them to control. I say they have to learn that a car without safety systems is something to respect, even more if its RWD. But also, that it can be enjoyable if you learn to properly and safely use that dynamic advantage.

Milky > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/14/2014 at 23:34

Read it earlier, this was me the entire time.

Kinja'd!!!

"You're going to crash, might as well do it something FWD with no horsepower."

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/14/2014 at 23:35

Given how often my FIesta ST breaks the rear out on dry pavement, and how I was able to do so on my old FWD monte carlo when I tried, that is a bad reason. Now it *is* a good idea to make a low-powered car your first car. A 3800 V6powered camaro is not a fire breathing demon. It will slide, yes. But its overall costs of maintenance are low and even if you do have a mishap, it is CHEAP to repair.

Trunk Impaired 318 > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/14/2014 at 23:35

My first car was a 318ti which is basically a E30 318is and I have an MR2 and Ive never felt at risk in either, sure I could provoke them to step out on me but if you're not pushing the car its not going to bite you

Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/14/2014 at 23:35

yeah, this article is total BS, its like where cars today have automatic parallel parking, blind spot monitoring, ABS, ESC, backup cameras and other electrical nannies.

people survived the 1900's without these things, and most cars up to the 1950's 60's or 70's (not sure which) were RWD, and not all teenagers killed themselves.

Tohru > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/14/2014 at 23:35

My first car was a Caprice. I think I turned out okay.

signinsrlame > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/14/2014 at 23:38

is the author of that piece actually a 16yr old with a learner's permit? 'Spikey' ? Pure lulz

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man
12/14/2014 at 23:38

Likely late 70's-80's when most cars started becoming largely FWD and AWD rather than RWD

Bandit > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/14/2014 at 23:39

Well it turned out alright for me.

Kinja'd!!!

Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback
12/14/2014 at 23:41

I knew it was sometime around there, and there wasn't a shortage of teenagers in the 1960's, i think its pretty much BS

shop-teacher > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/14/2014 at 23:41

Horseshit I says! I taught my little sister how to drive in the snow in a RWD V6 S-10, with an open differential. We had 6 inches on the ground, I tossed her the keys and said, "Let's go." We didn't come back until she could handle it. It was a fun couple of hours!

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man
12/14/2014 at 23:45

I think the fwd thing started coming about when the Japs started becoming more prevelent and the small little Germans (VW) and the Americans had to make cars to compete closer to them rather than large V8 RWD sedans and coupes that we all love here. Of course there still were the big land barges of the 80's but you see that's when the US started making some of our not so great cars. I think that we're finally kind of recovering from that low period while the Japs and dare I say the Germans are kind of entering their own period of not so great cars.

E30Joe drives a Subaru > signinsrlame
12/14/2014 at 23:48

Spikey is like the opposite of how my E30 drove haha.

Blake Noble > Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2
12/14/2014 at 23:49

"Car Throttle" is considered "journalism?" Huh. That's news to me.

If it weren't for a few YouTube videos and wooing Mr. Regular to write a column for them on a semi-regular basis, they'd be all washed up right now.

SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O) > Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man
12/14/2014 at 23:50

As someone who's first car was a 2001 Nissan xTerra (RWD unless 4WD was engaged), I used to drift the shit out of that SUV. Patch of sand? Drift. Corner up an incline? Drift. Gravel? Dirt? Grass? Drift. I am so surprised that thing never tipped over or even came close to it, but the amount of control I learned from those intentional slides has helped me out a couple of times since. At one point I switched from my winters back to all-seasons and my mom asked me why the fronts had so much more tread than the rears....

Kinja'd!!!

MultiplaOrgasms > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/14/2014 at 23:51

Why am I not surprised that this is a CT article.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/14/2014 at 23:52

I had an '83 Toyota Corona as my first car. 100hp of pure RWD fury.

I used to drift it before I knew what drifting was. albeit very slowly.

E30Joe drives a Subaru > MultiplaOrgasms
12/14/2014 at 23:54

I don't do much reading there, but based on these replies I don't take anything from them very seriously anymore.

signinsrlame > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/14/2014 at 23:57

im picturing all the shit banger rwd cars out there frome the late 70s x frame bodies you still see belching blue smoke to the chrysler 300 or crown vic, like those are cars you WANT kids to learn to drive in. His photo of an older miata in the story has me thinking this is really just a subtle attempt to troll us all, because i mean what handles better?

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/14/2014 at 23:58

It's not great. The real issue is not which wheels are driven, but how much power is driving them. You can't break 'em loose easily in a Smart car (extreme example) but I know a kid who lost control and crashed while doing doughnuts in his grippy, AWD WRX.

MultiplaOrgasms > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/15/2014 at 00:02

From my experience CT content mostly consists of GT-R and Paul Walker fanboyism, reposts of not that funny memes and questionable journalism.

Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man > SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O)
12/15/2014 at 00:30

lol

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > Blake Noble
12/15/2014 at 00:37

Very loose definition. For all intents and purposes in the car world they write for the masses. Though, in a very shitty manor.

TheJWT > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/15/2014 at 00:49

If they changed the title to "Why an Idiot's First Car Should not be Rear-Wheel Drive", I'd be inclined to agree.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/15/2014 at 01:45

I disagree with it 99%. The remaining 1% being those who drive in snowy and icy conditions could have a very difficult time with RWD. Otherwise it's fine, as long as your first car doesn't have a ludicrous amount of power. And I would argue that starting with RWD could make you a better driver. Personally I would rather oversteer than understeer, I think it's easier to control and correct. I've had a lot of experiences in FWD cars coming in too hot in crappy weather and just about losing it because the car would do nothing, at least in a RWD you can "steer with the rear wheels" if the fronts are plowing.

promoted by the color red > MultiplaOrgasms
12/15/2014 at 02:04

So automotive BuzzFeed.

Conan > E30Joe drives a Subaru
12/15/2014 at 02:12

Clickbait for enthusiasts.

MultiplaOrgasms > promoted by the color red
12/15/2014 at 08:41

It really is.